Ethics Violation..Salem Officers Roork and Walker fined

Wednesday, March 20, 2013
Albert Roork

Former Salem Police Chief Albert Roork and current Salem Police Officer Terry Walker have been fined and given letters of reprimand after an investigation found they violated a state ethics law.

A citizen complaint filed with the Arkansas Ethics Commission in November of 2012 alleged that Roork and Walker contacted a Florida weapons manufacturer and ordered weapons on the pretense they would be used by the Salem Police Department, but the two sold some of the weapons for profit.

Investigation and Decision

Terry Walker

According to the Ethics Commission, it began an investigation into whether Roork, who is now Chief Deputy of the Fulton County Sheriff's Department, used his position as Chief of Police and Walker used his position as a Salem City Police Patrolman "to obtain special privileges or exemptions in connection with using law enforcement letterhead to purchase firearms from Kel-Tec (a Florida fire arms manufacturer) and then reselling the weapons for personal profit."

In February, two Ethics Commission investigators traveled to Salem and Mountain Home to talk to Roork, Walker and Doug Niendick, the individual who filed the complaint.

On Feb. 20, Arkansas Ethics Commission Director Graham Sloan sent letters to Roork and Walker explaining that the results of the staff's investigation were presented to a Feb. 15 meeting of the Ethics Commission. "At that time, the Commission decided, by a vote of 4-0...that probable cause exists for finding that you violated Ark. Code Ann. 21-8-304(a)." That is the statute that prohibits public officials from using their position to obtain special privileges.

The letters detail that, besides using official Salem Police Department letterhead to order guns, evidence shows, "that the guns were invoiced to the City of Salem and then paid for with a City of Salem check after your personal funds were deposited into the City's bank account. Although you may not have initially ordered the firearms with the goal of making a profit, there is evidence that you did realize a profit by selling...guns to private citizens." Roork acknowledges selling one gun, and Walker two guns to private citizens.

Along with the finding of probable cause that they violated the law, Roork and Walker were given Offers of Settlement -- a $150 fine for Roork and a $300 fine for Walker. While the two could have contested the finding and sought a public hearing before the Commission, they accepted the settlement and paid the fines.

"They (Roork and Walker) need to follow the law like everyone else," Doug Neindick said. Neindick, who filed the ethics complaint, is a former Salem Police Officer who was fired in 2011, shortly before he filed a federal lawsuit against the city for alleging the city made him and other officers work unreasonable "on call" hours without pay. "The company in Florida (Kel-Tec) was very concerned when they found out the guns weren't for a police force. Weapons makers sell guns to law enforcement at a discount as a benefit. To buy the guns and resell them violates the level of trust that manufacturers have with law enforcement."

Roork Responds

"I should have known better. Bottom line is, I screwed up," Roork explained when contacted about the ethics complaint. "Me and Patrolman Walker had been wanting some specialty guns from Kel-Tec and tried for a long time to get them. Distributors laughed at us, they said the demand for the guns is so high it was going to be a long wait."

Because Walker is a federally licensed fire arms dealer, they decided to contact Kel-Tec directly and, even though it has a huge list of backorders to fill, Roork said the company was receptive. According to Roork, the Salem officers explained they were buying the guns for individual use but, "They said, 'we will stop the line for a police order.'" Roork and Walker placed an order for themselves for a specialty handgun that will hold 30 rounds and a small shotgun that will hold 14 rounds. They also ordered some of the weapons for other local officers that wanted them, and some small concealed carry pistols.

According to Roork, problems arose when the weapons order was ready in less than a month, instead of the expected three or four months. Some of the officers did not have the money to pay for the weapons they ordered. Roork and Walker had no choice but to take the costly order, and later decided to sell some of the weapons.

"We did every thing above board," Roork said. "We wrote a check to give to the city to pay for the guns and they paid Kel-Tec. When we sold the guns, we followed the law and did all the federal paperwork and background checks. The only thing we did wrong is, we sold some guns outside of law enforcement and made a profit."

"Out of Ordinary"

Ethics Commission Director Clark Sloan called the Salem Police investigation "out of the ordinary," in that the commission most often investigates alleged violations of campaign finance and voting laws. "I don't know of any other cases we have ever handled involving guns," Sloan said.

After doing some research, Sloan found there was one statute on the books that gave his office jurisdiction in the Salem Police complaint -- the one regarding using public office for special privilege.

"At the end of the day, violations were found in two of the three cases we investigated, and we did what we were required to do by law," Sloan said. His office investigated just the specific public complaint it received, and did not look into whether officers had purchased and resold other weapons in the past.

In a letter on March 4, Roork and Walker were informed, "the Commission is hereby issuing you this Public Letter of Caution, which is advisory in nature and serves to give clear notice that your actions violated the law. You are advised not to engage in the same activity again."

Sheriff Foley Cleared

While Sheriff Buck Foley was named in the citizen complaint, he was notified in a Feb. 20 letter that, after looking at the staff investigation and applicable law, the Commission voted 4-0 that the complaint against him should be dismissed.

The letter stated, "Evidence gathered during the course of the investigation reflected that you had never ordered any firearms from Kel-Tec using official letterhead or otherwise. While you did purchase a Kel-Tec firearm from Patrolman Terry Walker, you took no affirmative action to procure the weapon from Kel-Tec, and you did not instruct or order Albert Roork or Terry Walker to purchase the gun on your behalf. Finally, there was no evidence that you resold your Kel-Tec firearm."

"No Taxpayer Money Misued"

Roork said he and Walker "cooperated 100 percent" with the Ethics Commission investigator and did not contest the commission's findings because, after being made aware of the law against using their positions for special privilege, they agreed they were wrong and paid their fines.

"No taxpayer money was misused," Roork said. "There is no victim in this case, just a disgruntled former employee."

Neindick, who continued to live in Salem until recently moving to Mountain Home, said he learned of the gun sales from people who had been approached to buy the guns intended for law enforcement. He made no apology for filing the complaint. "They got the weapons at a discount and got them right away, while regular people have to place an order and wait for months (to get their guns), " Neindick said. "Law enforcement officers should not take advantage of the system, and the Ethics Commission found they did," Neindick said.

Neindick's federal lawsuit against the City of Salem is scheduled for trial in Little Rock later this year.

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  • "At that time, the Commission decided, by a vote of 4-0...that probable cause exists for finding that you violated Ark. Code Ann. 21-8-304(a)."

    "The letters detail that, besides using official Salem Police Department letterhead to order guns, evidence shows, "that the guns were invoiced to the City of Salem and then paid for with a City of Salem check after your personal funds were deposited into the City's bank account."

    "Because Walker is a federally licensed fire arms dealer, they decided to contact Kel-Tec directly and, even though it has a huge list of backorders to fill, Roork said the company was receptive. According to Roork, the Salem officers explained they were buying the guns for individual use but, "They said, 'we will stop the line for a police order.'"

    "...'problems arose when the weapons order was ready in less than a month, instead of the expected three or four months. Some of the officers did not have the money to pay for the weapons they ordered. Roork and Walker had no choice but to take the costly order, and later decided to sell some of the weapons.

    "We did every thing above board," Roork said. "We wrote a check to give to the city to pay for the guns and they paid Kel-Tec. When we sold the guns, we followed the law and did all the federal paperwork and background checks.' "

    Arkansas provides access to the applicable statutes, and since the "Public" Letters of Caution [noted in the paper edition of AWM] are not, apparently, readily available to the public - here's a link to our codes [*note - any who've been paying attention to Arkansas' Legislature've likely seen/read/heard on the media, "We need to update" ---

    What that means basically is that the Arkansas Legislature depends on outside entities to keep the Arkansas Codes up-to-date rather than expending much effort to do what they'll be required to do at some future date at a greater cost.

    Anyway, here's a link to Arkansas' Code:

    http://www.lexisnexis.com/hottopics/arcode/Default.asp

    If anyone wishes to [put oneself up for risk to the dire] comment on this story - thoroughly familiarize yourselves with Arkansas' Titles 21 (Public Employees) and Title 12 (Law Enforcement).

    -- Posted by HDucker on Sat, Mar 23, 2013, at 9:20 PM
  • Yeah. Fine to call me, here's the statute - you should be able to see to where/whom the "sale[s]" occurred:

    A.C.A. 21-8-304

    21-8-304. Prohibited activities.

    (a) No public servant shall use or attempt to use his or her official position to secure special privileges or exemptions for himself or herself or his or her spouse, child, parents, or other persons standing in the first degree of relationship, or for those with whom he or she has a substantial financial relationship that are not available to others except as may be otherwise provided by law.

    (b) No public servant shall accept employment or engage in any public or professional activity while serving as a public official which he or she might reasonably expect would require or induce him or her to disclose any information acquired by him or her by reason of his or her official position that is declared by law or regulation to be confidential."

    I'll be happy to attend "a seminar" to illustrate how to navigate that web-service. Consider this a 'freebie' 'cause now my phone'll be turned off for a month!

    -- Posted by HDucker on Sat, Mar 23, 2013, at 10:49 PM
  • boy, this sounds like deception. that would get you fired by your employer!

    the both of them should be fired.

    do we really need officers that are willing to be deceptive in our comunity? heck no!

    why did the city pay for the order? who in the city government o.k.ed the check to be issued for an order for guns the city didn't o.k.?

    sounds like a big coverup to me. and slap them on the hand.

    heck, they should be fired.

    they have probably been deceptive in their duties for a long time.

    too bad it took an exofficer with a grudge to bring it to light.

    good golly, let me place an order for assult weapons, i'll be happy to pay the city back, since i don't have the money!

    what do you expect from an officer with a $30,000 per year salery.

    this is what you get.

    -- Posted by sentinel on Mon, Mar 25, 2013, at 10:25 AM
  • I'm not sure it comes close to outright "deception" Sentinel. Nothing in the story would seem to suggest that. Perhaps ignorance of the content of Title 21 but I'd give some latitude to the employees if only 'cause I'm under the impression the handbook doesn't cover much.

    As for us not needing "some employees" being a little deceptive - perhaps not in say, the Clerk's or the Treasurer's offices - but this is the PD, and there can be a good case made that without a little deception not many crimes will get solved.

    As to the "why did the City" issue the check - the article's content it seems to me makes that obvious. I would agree having public employees using City accounts to do personal business would appear on it's face to probably not conform to best practices in accounting. (And if you'd go in-depth into Title 21, you'll see why).

    I'd cut police people a little slack there too though - I expect they'd be more familiar with Title 12.

    Just my personal opinion - but I don't see it reasonable to call for termination - neither from the article's contents would I be prepared to make the leap the 'practice' has been for "a long time."

    As for labelling the firearms "assault weapons" - that term is a bugaboo - cooked up back in the 90s Congress to deal with what most people know to refer mainly to "scary-looking" but in actuality - mere cosmetics.

    I can't tell whether your mention of the $30K salary means you think this or that - but given I know law enforcement guys (and gals) never know whether their next traffic stop will be a nice granny or a cranked-up fiend, I'd wish the the pay to be higher.

    -- Posted by HDucker on Mon, Mar 25, 2013, at 1:43 PM
  • Sentinel?

    Earlier you typed, 'the practice appears to have gone on for a long time.'

    To which I replied to the effect, "not enough information for me to make that leap."

    Well, I've done some further consideration on that, are you familiar with the adage?

    "Practice makes perfect."

    While I'm not prepared to state unequivocally (still true I haven't sufficient information) I'm fairly confident this little episode was an outlier. Most likely, I believe, given what I do know; I've known Officer Roork for a long time. I know he recently retired as Salem's City PD Chief after (I'm pretty sure) 30 years. I've spoken with Officer Walker albeit briefly.

    One would think if something's been "going on for a long time" -- this little episode wouldn't bear the hallmarks of "amateur hour."

    Therefore I'm one, comfortable in my thinking neither of the Officers ever "had the intent" to pull the wool over the public's eye. And two, I don't think the word "termination" is appropriate in context.

    -- Posted by HDucker on Mon, Mar 25, 2013, at 9:10 PM
  • well,

    congress labels the kal-tek with a 30 round clip an assault weapon.

    nuff said.

    deception and the good ol' boy games within the police department, thats why butch bologna quit.

    he was probably the best officer they ever had.

    i know this story is being posted on facebook,and other social media like fire!

    and most folks feel the same as i do.

    -- Posted by sentinel on Tue, Mar 26, 2013, at 7:51 AM
  • "Congress labels"?

    If you're talking about the definitions the 1994 Congress used to "label" the items heads-up, that knee-jerk legislative failure was allowed to expire in 2004 because it was deemed "unworkable."

    Now if you're talking about California Senator Dianne Feinstein's PROPOSED labels note, Nevada's Senator Harry Reid dropped the "labeling" language from the maybe/maybe not bill which is yet to even emerge from conference between the Congressional Chambers.

    Ergo: Congress hasn't labeled any such thing.

    "Most people"?

    Color me skeptical over the proposition that just because something's appeared on Facebook therefore that something's somehow validated. Now if you can present me some scientifically, methodologically reproducible polling dataset, I "might be" somewhat more amenable to accepting your "most people" assertion.

    -- Posted by HDucker on Tue, Mar 26, 2013, at 2:12 PM
  • well, lets see.

    Norman v. Roork et al

    Plaintiff:

    Darren Norman

    Defendants:

    Albert Roork , Walter Dillinger, Tom Hanselmen, Doug Niendick and John Does

    Case Number:

    1:2011cv00017

    Filed:

    February 28, 2011

    Court:

    Arkansas Eastern District Court

    Office:

    Batesville Office

    County:

    Fulton

    Presiding Judge:

    D. P. Marshall Jr.

    Nature of Suit:

    Civil Rights - Other Civil Rights

    Cause:

    42:1983

    Jurisdiction:

    Federal Question

    Jury Demanded By:

    Both

    Conn v. Salem Arkansas, City of et al

    Plaintiff:

    James Brian Conn

    Defendants:

    Salem Arkansas, City of and Albert Roark

    Case Number:

    1:2009cv00040

    Filed:

    August 21, 2009

    Court:

    Arkansas Eastern District Court

    Office:

    Batesville Office

    County:

    Fulton

    Presiding Judge:

    Judge Brian S. Miller

    Nature of Suit:

    Civil Rights - Other Civil Rights

    Cause:

    42:1983 Other Civil Rights

    Jurisdiction:

    Federal Question

    Jury Demanded By:

    None

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    Revelation 9:21 ESV / 4 helpful votes

    Nor did they repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts.

    Colossians 3:5 ESV / 3 helpful votes

    Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.

    1 Corinthians 7:2 ESV / 3 helpful votes

    But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

    1 Corinthians 6:13 ESV / 3 helpful votes

    "Food is meant for the stomach and the stomach for food"--and God will destroy both one and the other. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.

    John 5:21 ESV / 3 helpful votes

    For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will.

    John 1:1 ESV / 3 helpful votes

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    Luke 8:56 ESV / 3 helpful votes

    And her parents were amazed, but he charged them to tell no one what had happened.

    Mark 3:13 ESV / 3 helpful votes

    And he went up on the mountain and called to him those whom he desired, and they came to him.

    Matthew 19:9 ESV / 3 helpful votes

    And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery."

    Habakkuk 2:14 ESV / 3 helpful votes

    For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.

    Job 31:5 ESV / 3 helpful votes

    "If I have walked with falsehood and my foot has hastened to deceit;

    Numbers 23:19 ESV / 3 helpful votes

    God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?

    Revelation 17:4 ESV / 2 helpful votes

    The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her sexual immorality.

    1 Corinthians 6:18 ESV / 2 helpful votes

    Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body.

    John 1:14 ESV / 2 helpful votes

    And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

    Hosea 11:12 ESV / 2 helpful votes

    Ephraim has surrounded me with lies, and the house of Israel with deceit, but Judah still walks with God and is faithful to the Holy One.

    maybe they need to go to church more often.

    -- Posted by sentinel on Tue, Mar 26, 2013, at 7:04 PM
  • Nice effort tallying up what those "helpful votes" - but notice above what I'd asked for... "Now if you can present me some scientifically, methodologically reproducible polling dataset..."

    Mind, I'm not personally averse to much that might find it's way into the ESV (nor for that matter - much that's found it's way into other translations of that same book).

    However - just for your edification - as I understand it none of the above has been adjudicated in any judicial body YET. And although Congress might predicate it's labels on stuff - I've failed to see any verse provided me that specifically lists assault weapons definitions.

    "Sophistry" I would call it.

    Congress incidentally (as well as the Courts) does not rely on either chapters nor verse to render legally binding judgements. [Recall that "Render unto Caesar"?]

    Depending on what you've so generously provided I'd pose one simple question ... what happens to the meaningfulness of much of the above if, the Honorable Judge Miller finds for the Accused?

    Do notice there have been, only up to this point - accusations.

    Under US Law there is - you probably are aware of this - "a presumption of innocence." And US Law is predicated neither on Chapter nor Verse but rather Statute.

    Please be so kind as to poll your Facebook friends again and see if "most folks agree" on a specific statute I can look up.

    Amen.

    -- Posted by HDucker on Wed, Mar 27, 2013, at 12:22 AM
  • what ever happened to betty roork?

    she was charged with taking $60,000 from her employer.

    michel roork? arrested for not paying the fines.

    now betty works the books at fulton county hospital. great!

    both still run the fulton county fair. great!

    around here it is more like guilty till you can prove your innocence.

    unless your name is roork.

    do the police really need more weapons?

    i find it hard to belive the city wanted these 2 to order them.

    derick franks didn't need a weapon when he did a welfare check.

    franks was rammed by a truck and threatened.

    franks would have been justified in shooting the guy.

    but franks just strong armed the guy.

    -- Posted by sentinel on Wed, Mar 27, 2013, at 8:04 AM
  • what ever happened to betty roork?

    I didn't see Betty's name mentioned in the article - therefore, "Off-topic."

    she was charged with taking $60,000 from her employer.

    See above reply.

    michel roork? arrested for not paying the fines.

    See above.

    now betty works the books at fulton county hospital. great!

    Still, off-topic however if she's working at the hospital, it's unlikely she'll be finding much cash laying about.

    both still run the fulton county fair. great!

    Dog & Pony Shows weren't mentioned either - off-topic.

    around here it is more like guilty till you can prove your innocence.

    Depends on one's point of view. I take it you'd see the glass half-empty.

    unless your name is roork.

    Another one of those "leaps" I earlier mentioned.

    do the police really need more weapons?

    The article did mention the weapons were intended "for personal use" and "for other officers." Just my personal opinion, but from what I can tell is in the armories of quite a number of podunk police departments, quite a few third world dictators'd be green with envy.

    i find it hard to belive the city wanted these 2 to order them.

    Oh ye of little belief! (I just wanted to throw that in - given your above retort). Take another whack at reading the article Sentinel, you'll find the city did not initiate the request.

    derick franks didn't need a weapon when he did a welfare check.

    What paragraph of the article does Mr. Franks appear in? Incidentally, no one needs a weapon to run checks - a live internet connection is generally sufficient.

    franks was rammed by a truck and threatened.

    Insufficient context - but I'm intrigued, was Mr. Franks a simple pedestrian when rammed, or was the ramming truck going kinda slow?

    franks would have been justified in shooting the guy.

    So why didn't Mr. Franks shoot?

    but franks just strong armed the guy.

    Oh. Saved ammo.

    Sentinel?

    I'm not the sort of fellow who keeps up with the local gossip. But if you'll start up a rag like the now defunct "Sharp Citizen" and mail me a free subscription I'll make an effort.

    But until I receive the first edition in my post office box - it'd appear this conversation has become one of diminishing returns. What say we lay off until the next time you find yourelf righteously indignant?

    -- Posted by HDucker on Wed, Mar 27, 2013, at 10:00 AM
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